alt_hermione: Hermione gets bad news (bothered)
alt_hermione ([personal profile] alt_hermione) wrote2014-03-17 04:55 pm

Order Only: Private Message to Sally-Anne and Draco

Mrs Longbottom asked me and Pansy to talk to the house-elves and find out what sort of magical compact binds them, in case we ever need them to work against a future Headmistress or Headmaster.

I tried to tell her that it just doesn't work like that. Isn't she pureblood? How is it possible she doesn't know that house-elves don't have written compacts? Or is it more that because she's a pureblood she's never even given a thought to what binds house-elves to their masters?

I mean, look at that miserable elf of Sirius's--he'd like nothing better than to stab Sirius in the heart and run to your mother, Draco--but he can't.

Now Pansy and I have to sweet-talk the elves to try to find out what the limits of their obedience are and it's a colossal waste of time.
alt_sally_anne: (6_WTF)

[personal profile] alt_sally_anne 2014-03-17 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Did she grow up with elves? You're dead right about Creature, or whatever his name is. OH HOW MY GOOD OLD PUREBLOODED VOLDEMORT LOVING MISTRESS WOULD WEEP TO SEE FILTH TRACKING MUD ONTO HER CARPETING or whatever it was he was wailing the last time we were there. Did you point that out to her?

Though, Sirius knows that Creature hates him and is very, very careful about what orders he gives him. I mean, I assume he is, anyway. If there were a new Head they would assume that the Elves were on their side. The thing is, the Elves WOULD be on their side -- they weren't with Umbridge, but Umbridge was really a special case. Not least because the school itself didn't consider her the Head.

What elves mostly want is to take care of people. The ones at Hogwarts take care of students. But it would be pathetically easy for a new Head to say, 'Part of taking care of students is looking in everyone's trunk for seditious material, because we need to protect the good students from the wicked ones!' ... I mean, they'd have to give the elves a really clear explanation of what they MEANT by seditious material, but they'd be happy to check everyone's trunk, and keeping them out of places is HARD.
alt_sally_anne: (6_No effing way.)

[personal profile] alt_sally_anne 2014-03-17 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Though you know it's probably not a terrible idea to put some thought into exactly what the risks would be, from the elves, if someone else took over as Head. We've never put a lot of thought into making sure the elves don't spy on us, and if the Head were loyal... that could be really dangerous.
alt_draco: (listlessly listening)

[personal profile] alt_draco 2014-03-18 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
What, I wonder, is the point of such efforts? Most of us are leaving Hogwarts in just over a year. If a new evil Headmistress or Headmaster is actually appointed in that amount of time, we'll deal with them the way we dealt with the last one.

I know that Mrs Longbottom is just trying to be proactive and protective and all that but can't we please, once and for all, stop shoring up the brick and mortar that's crumbling around us and just assassinate the Lord Protector?

I know, I'm getting ahead of things. But I feel like it's never discussed, or not nearly enough.

And of course Mrs Longbottom's privilege blinds her to the realities of house-elfdom. Purebloods have never NOT had house elves, as far as collective memory goes. And house elves have never not had us - that's the other angle to think about.
alt_draco: (sorta scornful)

[personal profile] alt_draco 2014-03-18 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
You just said that talking to the house elves is a colossal waste of time. I'm AGREEING with you and you're chastising me for my excellent point that we need to focus our efforts elsewhere. Why are you even asking me for my advice and input if you just want to critique it every which way from Sunday?
alt_draco: (firmly fixed)

[personal profile] alt_draco 2014-03-18 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
I never said I had all the answers or ideas, but we never talk about it - not nearly enough. Snape is the only person who's discussing my future on the council with me, the only one who's been honest about what that sacrifice will mean, and how important it is. Not that Mrs Longbottom hasn't tried - she has - but it isn't the same.

You overestimate how much I understand about the so-called Grand Wizarding Tradition. It's tradition not because it's deeply understood, but because that's just how it's always been. That's how they get you not to question it, after all.

And just tell her you don't want to do it. Just that. You're not her mudblood. You're not anyone's. If you don't want to do something, don't do it. Just don't.
alt_draco: (indeed indifferent)

[personal profile] alt_draco 2014-03-18 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah? Well enjoy that.
alt_draco: (how halting)

Re: Private Message to Draco

[personal profile] alt_draco 2014-03-18 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
I don't want you to try to talk me out of it.
alt_draco: (dryly distracted)

Re: Private Message to Draco

[personal profile] alt_draco 2014-03-18 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
Every once and a while I get this very certain feeling. It's a foreign feeling, but certain just the same... I'm going to fail. I'm going to fail if things don't - if they don't change. I can't explain what I mean by that, though - not exactly. Not to you.

I think I just need to go to sleep for a while, or something.

I didn't mean to start a row with you, though.

alt_sally_anne: (6_I will find a way.)

[personal profile] alt_sally_anne 2014-03-18 03:11 am (UTC)(link)
EXACTLY. Assassinating the Lord Protector, I mean.
alt_sally_anne: (6_No effing way.)

[personal profile] alt_sally_anne 2014-03-18 03:11 am (UTC)(link)
Um.

I mean, I agree with both of you.

You added those other things while I was
alt_draco: (darkly discerning)

[personal profile] alt_draco 2014-03-18 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
I'm just sick of planning for all these "what if" scenarios. Forget about what ifs...we have a big "what is" that keeps getting postponed and delayed because of one reason for another. Even if an assassination attempt failed, at least Voldemort would know that people want to kill him. That it wasn't just Selwyn, but all sorts of people, from the lowest low-life to the most "loyal" council member. At least he would know that whatever he does, his days are numbered.
alt_sally_anne: (6_Merciless.)

[personal profile] alt_sally_anne 2014-03-18 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
Most of us can't even get near him, is the thing.

You or Harry could try. But you're not even of age yet, and then if you fail (which -- no offense, you probably would) you'll be dead and useless to the Order for spying or anything else and for that matter it'll probably point Auror Lestrange toward all your friends, and

Yeah.

But

Mrs Longbottom doesn't like taking risks, she wants to talk and plan and try as hard as she possibly can to make these things NOT RISKY and meanwhile even if our people aren't dying, plenty of other people are. Only they're not in the Order, so.
alt_draco: (really resigned)

[personal profile] alt_draco 2014-03-18 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
I fully aware of the fact that I am being pushy, insistent, and unrealistic, but it's borne of a desire for more discussion, more planning - anything, even if none of it is feasible. Because isn't that the biggest goal of all? And don't we lose sight of it if we keep waiting until the time is right, or we have more intelligence, or whatever else?

Sorry. I'm really tired.
alt_sally_anne: (6_Lumos.)

[personal profile] alt_sally_anne 2014-03-18 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
Well don't we have to deal with that thing Dumbledore told us about that let him come back to life? I mean there's no point in sacrificing our lives to kill him if he's just going to come back AGAIN.

Then again I don't know what the Order is doing about THAT, either.
alt_draco: (really resigned)

[personal profile] alt_draco 2014-03-18 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
Horcrux.

Well, he had to exist inside Bellatrix for a little while. That's got to be pretty miserable, right?
alt_sally_anne: (6_That is excellent news then.)

[personal profile] alt_sally_anne 2014-03-18 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know if making him miserable is exactly productive.

Besides, it almost certainly was the PEAK EXPERIENCE OF BELLATRIX'S LIFE.
alt_draco: (definitely direct)

[personal profile] alt_draco 2014-03-18 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
And she has that ghastly silver finger to show for it.

But you know, at that moment, he was technically still alive, but he was considerably weakened and vulnerable. At the very least, we could discuss what we would do - could do - if that happened again.
alt_sally_anne: (6_Merciless.)

[personal profile] alt_sally_anne 2014-03-18 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
Like kill Bellatrix?

I think I'd be in favour of that on general principles.
alt_sally_anne: (6_Lumos.)

[personal profile] alt_sally_anne 2014-03-18 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
(It's rather odd calling her Bellatrix, I nearly always call her Auror Lestrange, even under the lock. I think part of me imagines she'll KNOW.)
alt_draco: (altogether alert)

[personal profile] alt_draco 2014-03-18 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
Ha - if you think you're nervous, imagine Hydra. Even if she does have the benefit of being a natural occlumens, it wasn't always so.

Kill all of his followers, while they're all worked up trying to restore him to his body. That's why we need someone on the inside, isn't it?
alt_sally_anne: (6_Though my heart may break.)

[personal profile] alt_sally_anne 2014-03-18 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
But that includes

Ugh.

Maybe. I guess.

What about your